User talk:EffK

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Predication

I become increasingly aware that the structures of life and of people's or anyone's or any forces' interest seem to be of circular nature, and appear to traverse forwards away from that which the subjects or forces desire to avoid in a resoundingly circular fashion; thus the effort to avoid or evade consequences, attracts those very consequences; thus the seeking for preservation instlis the destruction; thus those who aim for good fall soon into the filth of some entirely un-foreseen wrong. I think this is less personal, but appears to be inexorable when humans combine.


BBC and Hitler's 'inevitability'

At c4 am c 12 August 2006, Niall Ferguson's interview awoke me. He rightly priotitised WWI as the driving force for subsequent world events. The manner in which the German High Command chose lenin as de-satbilising force for Russia's war effort was indeed worth Ferguson's mention, but he followed this by referring to the inevitability of Hitler's ascent within the Weimar Republic. This seems a dangerous statement. I shall have to watch Ferguson pace the above circularity.

Watching Hitler

AHitler's Wikipedia article begins in 2002 and with less than a 1000 edits reaches 2004, by which time there is reference to the myth of Hitler's legal rise to power.

Hitler's initial election into office and his use of constitutionally enshrined mechanisms to shore up power have led to the myth that his country elected him dictator and that a majority supported his ascent. He was made Chancellor in a legal appointment by President Hindenburg. This was a bit of historical irony, as the mainstream parties had supported Hindenburg as the only viable alternative to Hitler, not realizing that it would be Hindenburg who would bring about the end of the republic.

The reference to Hindenburg is appropriate, but 'wooly'. John Wheeler-Bennett, in his 1936 The Wooden Titan Hindenburg biography leaves no doubt but that the essential von Papen sweetener of January 30 1933, was a restoration of the monarchy under Hitler, thereby returning Hindenburg's acquiescence of 1918 in its dissolution( an American demand) to a 'positive account'. W-B points out that thereafter Hindenburg effectively is retired, and shut off from reality, and that this very withdrawal is the second level sweetener. As London published in 1936 by the ex-Berlin history Proff Arthur Rosenberg, the last four Chancellor's, icluding Hitler had all been 'presidential Dictaorships'. The president had had to constantly read and sign decrees, brought forth to manage even fiscal matters, though decrees brought under specifically 'emergency' measures, hence dictatorship. Important is a reference somewhere that at major use of decree, an appending habeas corpus type juridical rider was also presented and signed, but at the Reichstag Fire Decree, this was omotted, and Hindenburg did not remeber to ask for it, or was senile, or chose not to raise it.

The Reichstag was, during the years from late 1931-to the Enabling Act, solely functioning as a dismissal veto. It's only power or operation was to vote for a dissolution. Post Nuremberg it became known that of vital importance to Hitler prior to his Hindenburg appointment, was his discovery that the general-Chancellor von Schleicher did not himself possess this disssolution power. (in progress)

Re Vatican Pius XII beatification

I'm afraid I can't see the relevance of this article to SourceWatch. It is much more appropriate for Wikipedia (which, after all, are the only sources cited). I'll leave the text on the page for 12 hours to give you a chance to copy it and then I'll delete it. --Bob Burton 05:41, 31 May 2007 (EDT)


The answer is to say that both WP, and the vatican amount to publishing sources, and hence are relevant to this organ. Civility led me to ask this user to account for his threat, and apparent desire for censorship. As to sources cited, the user should ask for sources, if he disputes the essential facts. I will provide them, but cannot be expected to work under instant reversals and open threatsEffK 06:28, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Response

  • My point is that the article is rather tangential to the primary purpose of SourceWatch. On the main page we outline that the purpose of SW is to "to produce a directory of the people, organizations and issues shaping the public agenda. A primary purpose of SourceWatch is documenting the PR and propaganda activities of public relations firms and public relations professionals engaged in managing and manipulating public perception, opinion and policy."
  • Because it is off topic, it is very unlikely that other editors will improve on the article over time. For this reason, it would be far better to create a page on that topic over at Wikipedia (or edit one if it already exists). It is far, far more likely that there will be other editors who will take an interest in the topic there than here. If it were to stay here, I very much doubt that it would be improved an expanded;
  • Censorship? No, I'm encouraging you to publish it somewhere more appropriate not preventing you from publishing it altogether. --Bob Burton 06:41, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
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