Talk:Monsanto and Animal Testing
Hi Lisa, welcome to SourceWatch and thanks for adding material to some profiles. However, if I could drw your attention to our preferred format for referencing SourceWatch:References. If you have any queries feel free to drop me a line. cheers --Bob Burton 17:13, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
The Monsanto and Animal Testing page
Hi Lisa. Thanks for adding info about Monsanto and animal testing. I have woven into a separate article. One thing though is that that article is to primarily concern the company Monsanto. However all the added information you've added since concerns HLS and duplicates information already found on the Huntingdon Life Sciences page which the Monsanto article links to. Additionally Monsanto implies that they use more than just one company for animal testing: "Monsanto works with laboratories" [1]. As it is covered well already, the extra stuff should be removed. By the way, I cannot get the Who is Huntington Life Sciences? page to work (may be my machine). Miocene 00:18, 25 November 2008 (EST)
Hi Miocene,
OK, I deleted everything but a link to HLS. Also, I only left the articles that pertained directly to Monsanto.
For "Who is Huntingdon Life Sciences? visit http://www.kinshipcircle.org. It is a pdf document, also "Diary of Madness" is very informative. They are both pdfs. This site is one of the best sources for HLS.
Lisa
Oops, That's a bit severe :-) I'm going to put some of that back in. It's just that it was starting to look like a duplicate of the HLS page. None of the kinshipcircle.org PDFs will work for me so I can't check sources. Basically I'd like to add back the info you had about the conditions of the animals at the time of the $50,000 fine (or any reliable news source which lists the abuse you list), but I need to find some reliable news sources which say that. I found sources that say that the fines were for minor infractions (for example [2]). I understand though that as a part of the settlement of the lawsuit between HLS and PETA "The charges were dropped and PETA did not have to pay damages, but it did agree to return documents, videotapes, and audiotapes, as well as not to further interfere with Huntingdon's customer relationships or investigate the company for five years" [3]. Or is that a separate lawsuit?
I found the following comments interesting:
"Finally, a comment. Although the law precludes summary judgment in this case, that does not mean that the court is, or should be, blind to the voluminous material submitted and reviewed. 'When opposing parties tell two different stories, one of which is blatantly contradicted by the record, so that no reasonable jury could believe it, a court should not adopt that version of the facts for purposes of ruling on a motion for summary judgment.' Scott, 127 S.Ct. at 1776. While defendants’ view of the facts does not rise to the level of 'blatantly' contradicting the record, it comes mighty close. Review in camera of a sampling of the disputed documents convinces that much, if not all, of the redacted and withheld documents will not likely survive the scrutiny of a trial, particularly under de novo FOIA review." [4]. The Defendants were The USDA and Life Sciences Research, Inc.
I fully sympathize with you. We have a horse which was rescued from a premarin farm. She's a sweetheart. BTW, I had also commented on your user site in case you didn't see my above comments. Feel free to remove that if you want. Miocene 01:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)
Response from Lisa----
What you have is probably fine as long as the links are there. If you want you could put a link to http://www.kinshipcircle.org/columns_articles/diary_of_madness.pdf next to the Michelle Rokke/Peta reference, but that is already on the main HLS page so... I did notice that the comment on transplanting the hearts into monkeys made it sound very much like (one) "isolated" (aren't they all?) incident in that one article, which does not jibe with the "hundreds of monkeys" with "hearts crudely stitched to their necks". Also, Monsanto apparently contracts out all of its testing, they don't have a USDA report listed with the Humane Society.
Lisa
- I've added about all I think that I can. Got some more good sources, but I don't want to stray too much from the Monsanto article. Even though I'm sure the information in the other articles you've contributed is probably all true, you might make sure for liabilities sake that they are reliable sources, which unfortunately, usually translates to mainstream media outlets, government sites or info from the bigger, more recognized NGOs. Anyway, thanks for your input. Miocene 12:07, 29 November 2008 (EST)
- Ok the ipedia.net link looked pretty good so I added it. Miocene 12:30, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Miocene 18:58, 29 November 2008 (EST)
